Q: we would like to ask You to make some commentaries on khechari vidya; there are many different new terms?

Guruji: ok

Q: we will start from 57th shloka: they are talking about whipping (mathana) – very similar things we’re doing in Kriya on 3rd and 4th levels but also it is said that some yogis would be successful only with mantra – could you comment this?

Guruji: they describes mantra?

Q: no, they are saying that yogi can be successful only with mantra without madhana? After that they’re saying that with strong thread yogin should made salakikam from gold or silver and put it into the nostril from inside?

Guruji: that is an achievement, it’s not a description of a technic. The special sound will come to your mind, it’s like the question we discussed in Gorakhbodh; by putting the tongue in khechari the nose will become your mouth – then the special sound will come.  They were trying to simplify divine things to make them easier for understanding. When the sadhus already lost their muscle power and could not put the tongue – they were using different things to help themselves. And remember – the literal translation of the word “mantra” is a secret. It means Guru gives the real mystery, not just some words or sounds to recite. We don’t want continue to discussing technics all our lives; the technic exists for doing it, not to discuss. Only with the practice the development will come.

They are beautiful dancers -I think they’ll understand the simile: if someone will spend his life just discussing the different technical aspects of the dance – he will never be a real dancer. Only by the very regular practice he will refine and make his art perfect.

Q: I think our discussions are important?

Guruji: of course sometimes we need to clarify some questions – but then refinement should come to your practice and the art should be perfected.


Q: when yogi drink amrita – he really becomes free of age and death and he became khecharatva – something connected with ether?

Guruji: it means he become able to fly. His body will become so light tat he will be able to fly. Read Hatha Yoga Pradipika: when every mudra is done very successful – only then the result will come.

Q: in the next shloka they are talking about not siddhas or maha siddhas but magic shoes? It’s the description how yogi can make them?

Guruji: you can put on this paduka and travel as far as you want. They describes so many things – thousands of different mantras or other magical methods; also some paste could be made and put on your shoes; when you put on such magic padukas – you can go 400 miles in one second and come back.

Q: it were made of stones and some metals?

Guruji: one particular tree is mentioned in many books; usually they are made from wood.

Q: also it must be done on cremation area with certain mantra?

Guruji: cremation area is very important for the magic.

Q: someone who want achieve this siddhi must to repeat saptakuta mantra millions of times, then bring the alcohol…

Guruji: all these things are part of that practice; when Bhairav will be pleased and grant you something very precious, the special wisdom – if you will be successful in that.

Q: but here they are talking about some yoginis of smashan?

Guruji: yoginis are also connected with Вhairav. We don’t know, how many yoginis are looking at us.

Q: what is this saptakuta mantra?

Guruji: it should be mentioned in original Sanskrit. Some mantras are described in Mantrabhava: you read the details – and then you discover the another layer upon layer. Here could be the six knots of particular mantra – or maybe seven notes must be there.

Q: how we can understand that our subconsciousness is becoming conscious?

Guruji: when you start to experience the suspended animation – then the process will on. Instead od searching of magic shoes just climb on a big mountain – it will take you khecharatva.


Q: what is paravastha? Is it different from samadhi?

Guruji: paravastha is when you have reached the goal, achieve the goal what you were trying to achieve. It’s the mental state after achieving the goal.

Q: near closed doors of brahma there are four great parts; from west side is kala called krita, from south side called gupta, from east – siva, and from north – parapara siva?

Guruji: they are describing four parts of the brain, it’s biological description. Paramashiva means supreme; all others are means to reach that dark corner of the brain where he lives, the superconsciousness. These are four different parts of the brain. North is top of the head; east is in front and west is in the back. And south is in muladhara. Remember, it is also extension of the brain – that is the south side of the brain, you cannot separate spinal cord from that.

Q: place between eyebrows is called soma mandalam and it’s also forms the group of four kalas?

Guruji: yes.

Q: from where amrita is coming? These four parts are Chandrika, kanti, jyotsna and shri?

Guruji: very easy: jyotsna is the moonlight, it’s the Sanskrit term for that. This area is called moon – even the sign of crescent moon, where the amrita forms. I think it maybe the special type of hormone, which forms with very heavy, prolonged and successful practice. They used the term amrita, which creates by different positions of the tongue. All these four parts are between the eyebrows. Remember, all hormones are coming from there, that’s why khechari mudra considered as so important. The main property of the moon is jyotsna: without light of the moon you even will not become aware of the moon. That’s why they specially mention jyotsna. With the light of the moon you will become aware of the moon, and with the very prolonged practice of the yoga you will discover that moоn is the essence and presiding deity of all medicines, all herbs. What is their healing power? It is just the part of the nectar of the moon, which they are carry inside. And jyotsna is the carrier of that nectar, the moonlight is the carrier of that nectar. If somehow you’re able to catch it – then the flow of age will stop and all that mystical and magical powers that are described become possible.

Q: why in these kind of texts very short periods of time are mentioned?

Guruji: to achieve such results – it requires years and years of practice. When you have understood and mastered something perfectly – than it can take you 3 months to get the result of it. It’s not for beginners, only for masters.

Q: between the eyebrows there is a stone – sila – which is also called khecharamandalam and vajrakandakhyam; yogin must become to aware of this – lalatante?

Guruji: it is maybe not the right translation, because the jewel may form over the years – someone talk about 40 years or more.

Q: lower than nostrils and higher than mouth there is a place called rajadanta and it also of 2 kalas: purnamrita and sitala?

Guruji: one is cold which we should take; another we should avoid.

Q: do You think all these things are too early for us to understand?

Guruji: no. it’s education which you should learn and remember. Keep it in your memory, when you will be there – you will understand. You must read all the books on subject which are coming your way, it will deepen your understanding.


Q: basic place called adharam, which also consists of 5 kalas and there are sudha, sudhamayi, prajna, kalaghni and jnanadayini?

Guruji: there are different types of intellect which develops: from intellect to superintellect.

Q: here they say – this place is in muladhara and it’s also source of the amrita?

Guruji: muladhara is the connection with earth element. The whole world knows now that kundalini sleeps in muladhara; that means – the real power is in earth element. You must be able to invoke that power: it will pierce all the five elements and brings them to the absolute harmony to each other. They will be in equal proportion 20% each. Main power, kundalini shakti, consciousness, – is in earth element – you need to understand this. Many people missing that point advising you start to develop avoiding lower chakras. Even simple durak and perfect durak has the different types of intellect.

Q: there is also term like “venudandam”: again the 4 kalas is there and also some type of amrita?

Guruji: sometimes ornamental language uses it because spinal cord is also called “venudandam”. There are six chakras there and with different pranayamas the different sound will come; chakras here like six holes in the flute. “sushita” – one type of these for kalas – means your mind is very good. It’s not the literal meaning, ornamentally it means four colors of the mind – you can use any term to describe, but the meaning will be the same.


Q: in next shlokas there is description of levels of khechari mudra. The first level is сalanam, the second is bhedanam, third is mathanam and 4th level is praveshanam; how it is connected with the levels of Kriya?

Guruji: praveshanam is entering; before that you’re just training your tongue. It’s preparation and result. Even after entering there are many different stages – when your tongue is already inside. End of one chapter and the beginning of another.

Q: it’s about physical preparation?

Guruji: yes, but your mind also should be open. Remember, physical things are very important to have the strong impact on your mind. Physical development will in turn develop your mind. When you plant a tree – you don’t need to take the seed from the ground every time to see the development. You have to wait.

Q: the last chapter is not translated to Russian and English

Guruji: yes, better to read it directly. Always read the original shlokas of the text.

Q: but there is description of different herbs, connected with khechari?

Guruji: there are many herbs, which are the great brain tonics, they can improve the brain development.

Q: there is also description of khechari siddhas – and in many cases you must use many strange things like that shoes or you have to sacrifice some of your blood. For example, to make this sword – narabali?

Guruji: human sacrifice?

Q: yes, and also how to become invisible, been able to move in akash, – why they are described?

Guruji: khechari is the very powerful thing. And this book is more on magic, but not yoga. Any powerful thing, which is able to fly – is called khechar.  Like it is said in Mahabharata: the sun god is also called khechar – because he can move in a void. His son, Karna, killed another khechar – Ghatotkacha, who was able to fly. And the mother of Ghatotkacha – she was also able to fly and she was called khechari. And she was crying about her son – khechar – when he was killed. And it is connected with mercury also. Planets and stars, which are moving in the void, are also called khechar.

Q: about the space, called “kha”, which is between earth and sky: it is said that dakinis are the guardians of that place. It’s about the physical place or about the state of mind?

Guruji: kha means empty space. In a human body there are several place – chidakash, medhakash, hridayakash and others – where vibration of the void is situated. Khechari is called khechari, because the inner space behind your nose – tongue moves into it – that’s why it’s called khechari. It’s the very special void – only by moving your tongue there the activation of the inner parts of your brain is possible. It’s the much more subtle than any just physical – because there the friction of prana and apana is taking place. You’re in tact with that meeting point, which not everyone can to do. With the development of khechari very slowly your mind became more and more refined – becoming aware of that friction prana and apana taking life. That is some powers, who are called dakinis – even different chakras may have such names.

Q: if someone achieves such high level in khechari and yoga practice – why he should interest in such kind of siddhis and magic rituals?

Guruji: not everybody. it’s their choice how to pass the time. For someone it’s an entertainment.

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