GURUJI ABOUT NON-ATTACHMENT
As we were discussing – many people thinking that attachment is not good for spiritual growth and for so many things; my observation is: the attachment gives you strength and it may be the basis of your progress finally.
I’ve give an example of a kite flying: if it will remain attached with the cord – it will go very and very high; the moment it is not attached with the cord – it finally comes down to the ground. Whomsoever, whatever it may be – a person or an object you’re attached to: that attachment becomes a root cause for carrying.
If you’re carrying of someone – that means you’re attached with that someone. And without carrying I don’t think humanity will survive anyway.
I will say: remain attached!
Those wise ancient people who were saying it – they simply meant grow up, more mature. Don’t remain attached with your toys: there are bigger things and larger things waiting for you in life. I take this upadesh of non-attachment in this light. You also think on that!
People are peddling this non-attachment for centuries: but nobody is brave enough to differ from it. That is my experience which I just share. If I will not remain attached with my own friends and disciples – then what I’m doing? It means I’m not carrying of them at all.
And if they not remain attached with me – what they are doing? No care, no love, nothing. I will quote one web series: what is heaven? And I will agree with this: the girl is saying – heaven is where your loved. I think scriptwriter did the best. My suggestion is: you must read all the big books, but also you must read comics and see web series and movies: they will give you great wisdom.
I’m the very simple man: my observation is – what is the basis of communication? Good community is the basis of communication. If there is good community – you will have good communication. So we keep refining our community where we live – and we will always have good communication. If community is good – it is high chance that you will have good company also. Nobody leave society: I’ve been roaming India for many years; every so-called people who are non-attached and ready to leave society: they leave this convention society and create their own society. No man can be idle.
There are few exceptions I’ve come across; no one can go and live like Robinson Crusoe. Some sadhus – they do: they are real tyagi, I will say, non-attached. But they are attached to their self-progress and tapas: so technical attachment is there.
Q: what can You say about their mental level: how it differs from the person who has some attachments?
Guruji: they are sort of nirvikalpa: no options remain for them. They are too far gone; their mental state is absolutely beyond understanding of the normal person. They are too far gone in their path. Nirvikalpa means no more options: such mental state is not easy to understand.
Q: is it like pure vairagya for them?
Guruji: no, just a thing when in your mind there is no second option. Whatever he decided – no other option remains, no vikalpa.
Q: all success is commercial – everything is commercial
Guruji: but it gives you a lot of opportunities also – to survive without doing anything. Society helps you in that( smiling). So much charity is going on around us. When you roam to countryside – you will learn, how to survive. All this clash between Christianity, islam, buddhism, Hinduism: you just put a smile and behave like them – you will get free meal, no problem. Even clothes and some shelter. Anywhere: no matter it is a mosque, or a church or a temple – you will have enough food to survive; clothes, blankets and so many things. All religions are good from that point of view(smiling): this philosophical clash is useless. If you’re vegetarian – go to some hindu ashram, hindu temple; if you want to eat meat – go anywhere, it will be provided to you.
Q: could we say that for the yogi – with the time – only the attachment which helps him to attain, will remain?
Guruji: in fact, your perspective will be very different. You will remain attached also – and at the same time you will remain beyond that. And attachment is not that affect that people are keep telling.
Q: so that attachments, which are acting like obstacles – will they go away?
Guruji: it is just like when you were a child you were so much attached with your toys and some other things: they were just pointing towards becoming more mature.
It’s a very famous thing in Gita, everybody keep quoting that: you don’t care, don’t worry about outcomes: most of them are stupid fools. What Shri Krishna meant – you see, Arjuna was the world champion, you have to accept this fact; and whoever is trained to be a world champion, what wise people suggest him: you make a decision, you want to be the champion – and work hard for it, to achieve it!
But not every day you should worry – whether I will be able to achieve or not achieve: it will spoil your focus and concentration. This is the essence of that upadesh. You make a decision: I want to be a world champion and then go all the way to achieve this – with full concentration and full focus. But not every day and every moment you should worry that whether I may achieve it or not achieve it, what will happen; that will spoil your concentration and your effort will suffer.
You have been working hard – and you know, what is focus, what is concentration: every moment you will keep doubting whether – you will lose your concentration and that is the end.
Q: like in “Putnik” You said that even if you made a mistake – move on?
Guruji: learn out of it and move! I’ve never come across any person who has never made any mistake. But those are good people – they learn out of it and they don’t repeat it again.
I discovered this meaning many years before – but today it came. He was the world champion: the level of discussion was beyond the normal.
That you can call the final exorcism: and with that successful exorcism even your spirit may not be able to possess you. Why? Because as Gita says: Ishwar lives in our heart. You have directly reach the source – and you’re connected with the source, you don’t need any accessory thing to give you life or anything.
Q: interesting that whole India are talking about Gita for many centuries – but what about they are talking?
Guruji: tyaga( smiling)
Q: I don’t understand most of such philosophical talks
Guruji: o, you will find yourself in an asylum soon- and people will say that he became Paramahamsa. Krishna had more than 16000 wives, Arjuna married more than once – then they were discussing: they were not going to become monks. We also need to consider that.
Q: now when You said that all married men were smiling
Guruji: only on such occasions that smile comes. Behind every successful man there is a woman; and behind that woman – successful man’s wife with the knife( laughing). So : they were discussing very high mentality, which average man will never understand. Pure concentration, pure focus after you have taken the major decision: I must achieve. Never doubt yourself. He was giving consult to the world’s champion warrior: you can just imagine the level of their mind and discussion. We need to consider this fact. And it is our great fortune that it was recorded by Vyasa so we can read it.
Q: that is the great point because the majority is taking Arjuna as a normal man
Guruji: he is not normal at all! He did enough tapas, saw Shiva face to face, got Pashupatastra from Him; he went to heaven and were sitting on the half throne of Indra- he was his offspring; his achievements are great. One thing I remember – in Mahabharata it is written, that he was able to kill a fly, which was two miles away flying on a pace of a boar’s ear. Not even with rifle we can do it now. And it will give you some idea, how strong physically he was. But his brother Bhima was even more strong. And his eye could see that fly, flying over the boar’s ear; adbhut! They were great warriors, we need to remember that.
It was my great fortune, that 5-6 world champions came: it was very easy to talk with them. Discussions are different, their understanding of the matter is different, their take is different, their perspective is different. They know the meaning of hard work and they know what is focus, what is concentration.
Q: in Bhagavad Gita it is said that for the yogis all their indriyas and karmendriyas are divine – so yogis could somehow control them?
Guruji: no, this is very wrong approach: human beings are addicted to control. You need to just discover that the source of all indriyas and a headquarter is your brain, your mind. It is your mind, who experiences through these senses. So when you have realised the source and with enough yoga able to develop your mind and brain to a certain level – indriyas will not be your enemies and you will not be trying to control them; they will become very friendly – because your interest will elevated to the very higher things.
Q: could we connect it somehow with Yajurveda – what we discuss about controlling the gods?
Guruji: it is all about controlling the gods! Rishis were creators of the gods; Kashyap rishi is the father of most of the gods and daityas and all asuras: they are all step- brothers. But with indriyas there is no need to control. When you’re trying to control anything – it will take a stand and the clash will start. Friendly way is the best. We need to learn the source of the indriyas: indriyas are just Instruments of the mind.
WATCH MOVIES
Q: I remember once during puja the fire in dhuni was almost gone – but You remain totally calm without any worrying: this calmness is the result of Your Shambhavi or Unmani state?
Guruji: maybe – whatever I’ve done in my life to that moment, everything( smiling)
Q: but it wasn’t just Your will power and the showing the poker face?
Guruji: let’s say – I’m used to that, so it’s normal thing. Maybe that day Dhumavati wants to show her presence: only smoke comes. It’s a mystical thing. There is a book “Gorakh Rahasya” – you must read that. In two pages you’ll think it’s my description you’re reading.
Q: do You recommend some new movies?
Guruji: “Dracula” Netflix series – amazing dialogues. And the best was: “You’re a monster! – and You are a lawyer!” – nobody is perfect( laughing). This was first time: Dracula working out on treadmill and saying: serving nowadays is so good – even I have to exercise. That was fantastic( smiling)
Q: have You seen “Black mirror” on Netflix?
Guruji: is it good? About what?
Q: generally about interaction of present and future. Some series are very good.
Guruji: ok. You see “Midnight mass”: recently young man from Delhi recommend it. Whatever we saying: Christianity and vampirism – you will see it there. And they are quoting bible in many places. Otherwise I get very little time to see.
THE POWER OF THE YOGIC BODY
Q: during our life, if we practicing yoga successfully, we developing chakras: what happens with them after leaving the body?
Guruji: if all chakras has been fully activated and developed to the limit -maybe the physical body will continue for thousands of years. In India most of the people say: it was his last birth: that means he never died after that!
Nobody says – it as his last death. With fully developed chakras the physical body will continue for centuries, maybe thousands of years; maybe touch immortality.
Q: so if yogi is practicing in vayu sharir – his chakras is not developed or start develop?
Guruji: he will have to go into vayu sharir if the chakras are not fully developed. There are many reasons: some yogis may come for a certain period, especially by Guru’s order or Shiva’s order: they will live and never come back. That is Shiva will decide or Dattatreya will decide. Great plan is always moving forward.
Q: if realised yogi leaves the body, so his physical body remains like we discussed Yogananda’s case, imperishable for a very long time. Is it possible for some very powerful spirit to possess that body?
Guruji: not possible. Here I will just remind another ancient thing, which not many people saying; as sutras goes: natasya prana utkramanti: his pranas will not go out of the body- they will merge with the source, Ishwar inside his heart, inside the body. So body will become extremely pious and pure, divine: and it is given to the Earth as it is. It is never cremated, such a body. They are powerful so no one can possess them.
Q: if your Guru has the plan for thousands of years – the disciple mustn’t ask something?
Guruji: why not? Sometimes it’s important to communicate. It clears our thoughts and make them very crystal clear.
WE ONLY LIVE TWICE
Q: but You remember that case with Lahiri Mahasya and the golden palace?
Guruji: there is another catch to it: suppose you remove this story from Lahiri Mahasaya’s initiation: the impact will be less. And it was maybe needed to impress Lahiri Mahasya that such things are possible and even happening today. It’s a big plan. And we discovered Yogananda’s mission: we never thought about it before -but it is working. He was the first yogi to go – and he was discussing Nirvikalpa samadhi and Savikalpa samadhi – maybe people will begin to discuss about them as well. It is just like Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra: they start by discussing samadhi – then the process is given. He started by discussing samadhi – then so many postures and all these things started and the people’s consciousness – I’m sure, it’s developing. Body language directly affects your brain. World is changing.
Q: but if we take Hatha Yoga Pradipika they start from shatkarmas and then go higher?
Guruji: that is important; but even to do shatkarmas you have some conditioning of the body. Suddenly no one could do nauli. 100 every day, remember.
Q: yogis calculated the quantity of breath cycles of the humans – and it is 21600 during life time; if we take 60 years – it’s about 7,5 breath cycles in a minute. During practice of Kriya we’re trying to reduce it : so if we could breathe only 1,5 breath in a minute – could we live up to 300 years?
Guruji: more than that! Recently one big turtle died in Kolkatta zoo: he was 300 years plus. Breathing only 4 times in 1 minute.
Q: could the normal person decrease his breath rate without yoga practice?
Guruji: if he is able to do that – that means he is not normal. He is doing something mysterious, maybe rasayana or something.
Q: maybe just by will power – that I will breath slowly?
Guruji: no, this thought will not even enter his brain. We’re aware of the breath only 2 times: when the first breath is there and when the last breath is there – otherwise who cares for breathing? Here I will quote James Bond – from the book: Yan Fleming quoted the Japanese poet, Baku: you only live twice, you only live twice- once when you’re born and when you look death in the face. You’re extremely aware of life in only these two moments. And I like these poems – so I still remember it. Even though I may read it 50 years before.
REASON TO LIVE LONG REASON TO BECOME IMMORTAL
Q: from Gorakhbodh, shloka 109: when the consciousness is in samadhi, but at the same time all life processes continues in the body and it is not perished by time. It exists some subdivision or some criteria then practitioner is already immortal – or he is in samadhi, but trying to achieve immortality?
Guruji: after you become immortal – you’re constantly in samadhi, because subconscious mind remains awake. And body is conditioned to that level that it becomes like electrical body. Like the power of the thunderbolt; so no harm can come to it, they are constantly in samadhi. That’s why they stay away from general humanity – we don’t know, where they live. Till then – it’s a process, so your physical body will be conditioned and more and more awaken brain you will be able to tolerate. If from 2% suddenly you will switch on 100% – your body will burn. The massive charge, which will be developed and created, – normal body will never be able to tolerate that. Gradual thing is always good.
Q: so until yogi achieved the electrical body – he is not immortal?
Guruji: but he will be able to live very long. Immortality means you cannot die and no one can kill you. But living long is another plus point: you can live for 10000 years without been immortal. That difference is there. Like that king from Rajasthan we were discussing. In his 180 he was looking nearly 70-75 years old – I think it’s amazing to look 100 years younger than your real age. He was graced by some rasayana or some grace from sadhu or siddha – giving him this secret, how to live long.
Q: normal person cannot live such long?
Guruji: it has to be reason to live that long. You must have the reason to live that long. Without rasayana it’s impossible and without yoga practice it’s also impossible. If your 8th lord is in a very strong situation and ascendant is powerful. Your karmas also are considered.
Q: if it’s not like that, it’s possible to overcome planetary situation?
Guruji: the thought will not even enter that person’s mind, if such planetary support is not there. He will be too busy to cure constipation – that is normal thing( smiling)
Q: what is if the 8th lord is in another dusthana – in 12th – and also he is the ascendant lord?
Guruji: that is very good: whole life he will spend in knowing about what is on the other side.
Q: is it possible for a normal man to recognise – is it realised yogi practicing samadhi or is it immortal?
Guruji: normal man will understand not much in these matters until unless he has taken enough trouble to do some deeper research and do some deeper practices. Only then his vision will be developing and it will become more clear so he will able to understand what he is actually seeing. Suddenly you cannot know these things.
Q: but for the a little bit advanced yogi – it will be another aura or other type of skin or some other features?
Guruji: with my own experience- quality of the skin becomes different, body smell will change: because every thought will create a chemical reaction inside you, which will give a certain odour or smell to your body. When the different thought process is there, different chemical reactions are there – so different body smell is there; and skin is the largest organ of the body: it becomes more refined, much better.
Q: on Your own experience You can define some qualities which help You to understand who is in front of You – immortal or realised yogi practicing samadhi?
Guruji: yes, it’s possible. Now I can say – yes, I can recognise. Before meeting them – not possible.
STRONG ASTRAL BODY
Q: we can say that the elements which we can perceive – like earth, water and fire – are gross; but what about the air and ether?
Guruji: all 5 elements are gross. It is that, that light is reflecting only three so we don’t see air and akash. All five are considered as equally gross. This is the shortcoming of our own vision: it’s designed to just catch the reflection of light. Our vision is impaired – we couldn’t say it’s perfect or we can see everything; we see only 60% of the things.
Q: it exist the creature who could see all 5 elements?
Guruji: I’m sure about it.
Q: what is the reason for the yogi to form the perfect vayu sharir?
Guruji: many tried – but few succeeds: not everybody can suddenly become immortal. Or not everybody could suddenly reach climax of the yoga practice. It takes very hard work persistent work for many- many years, a big time frame is needed. So if your karmas are not supporting you for this work and you die before achieving this – at least you will have the very strong vayu sharir and you will continue to try to achieve what you set out to do. That’s why vayu sharir is extremely important: it is as good as a gross body.
Q: I had an idea that if we had not vayu sharir at all maybe after we leave the physical body, dehi will live only in akash body?
Guruji: dehi will simply go to its own place. They don’t need body – they just do their job: to create a combination and an animation of the physical body.
Q: so if we will have no vayu sharir – the dehi will just go?
Guruji: and nothing remain. Only if merging with the Ishwar in your heart dehi will not needed at all. Final luxury- luxury to live.
Q: only for a yogi it is possible to form the vayu sharir?
Guruji: in that way; otherwise nobody is talking about cleaning of the nadis and or taking vayu there – only yogis are discussing that.
Q: if we take some alchemical processes: are they able to clean the nadi?
Guruji: no. only with different pranayamas it may become possible. Yoga is too supernatural and extraordinary.
Q: so if some lucky person find someone who can do kaya kalpa for him and he could live for 300 years…
Guruji: if his nadis are not pure and the vayu is not moving then – his vayu sharir will lack certain portions, it will not be complete.
Q: even he had such a long life – he will become just a ghost?
Guruji: just a ghost. But a powerful one! But then again: to go through kaya kalpa is no common thing: so some very good karmas and some grace from very higher beings are involved there. Even that is too extraordinary.
