SHIVA SUTRAs SPECIAL DISCUSSION
INTRODACTION
Q: once You said that all the three chapters of Shiva Sutra – it’s like direct experience of someone who was devoted to Shiva, Shakti and…
Guruji: of three people – Sambhavopaya, Saktopaya and Anvopaya
Q: but who was the third person who created Anavopaya – we don’t know?
Guruji we don’t know all three: they are not known. It looks like three siddhas came together, old friends and compare notes.
Q: what do You think, why these three different paths was given?
Guruji: three different paths are not given: these are the experiences of three great siddhas.
And their conclusions are more or less same. If you worship Shiva – Shakti is worshipped with Him.
If you worship Shakti – Shiva is worshipped with Her. Look at our Shivalingam: yoni and lingam, Shakti will always be there – no matter what you do. They all tried from different angles and reach the same thing.
SAMBHAVOPAYA
1.THE CONSCIOUSNESS IS SOUL.
Q: the soul, as we discovered is something which is mortal?
Guruji: the feeling of “I” – if you’re conscious, you will have this feeling “I am” – that is Atma; if you translate the word “atma” literally – simply means “I am”.
Q: could we say that the limited consciousness with the body together is atma?
Guruji: any level of consciousness, where you’re feeling that “you are” – that is atma. 2%; when you will realize 100% – your atma will be much more powerful and bigger; feeling of being will be sublime.
Q: subconsciousness is beyond atma?
Guruji: no, it is sleeping; when it will wake up – it will be atma. You are – I am.
Q: but nowadays we have only partial atma or what?
Guruji: no, we have just partial idea of the atma. That’s why for realising your atma we need to wake up all our consciousness and develop your mind so you will be able to tolerate your atma. That’s why I keep indicating that self-realization is a very big thing. Many people claim: I’ not body, I’m a spirit – it is nothing until unless you wake up your subconsciousness and you realize – yes, I am: that feeling is different.
2.KNOWLEDGE IS BONDAGE.
Guruji: yes, because all gyana depends on the past experiences of other people or old people: that means if you’re running after knowledge – you have embracing past all the time and no Atit ghat will take place – as we have reached to that level now.
So: all your past is bondage.
Q: so when we reach Atit ghat it means something even beyond the knowledge, it’s like cognition?
Guruji: you will not recognize the things, you will cognize the things! That difference will come. Recognizing – you’re always comparing from the past when you’re accessing something.
Cognition – immediate knowing, what is this. Knowledge is bondage, because it depends on the past.
Q: I had an idea that maybe because of our perception of the limited senses, when we’re focusing our attention on the world?
Guruji: every knowledge – whatever education you have – it’s just study of the past. Of course it is needed – but it will be a bondage from yogic point of view.
3.BODY IS A SMALL BIT POWER OF THE ORIGIN
Q: kala shariram: how we can translate it? Like the body of time?
Guruji: the fifteen phases of Moon: they are called kal’a. Different expressions of your being can be called kala. Kal’a also mean “art”. Artist in hindi and Sanskrit is called kalakar. Kal’a is the great art, which is being expressed to the world. And there are 8.4 million yonis; so their expression is this body – different art , expressive art is the body.
Q: could we say that body like supporter of consciousness is the greatest mean to know the Time itself?
Guruji: but then body itself is a bundle of information! Billions and trillions of gigabytes of information is stored in our body. Body is like a book. Body is not like bag of flesh and bones, it is carrying great information.
But – it is a representation of the past: body is representing the past. There is another point here: the more you will study past – the more you will become aware of the present also. And maybe even for a better future; but yogis gone beyond that: they subtract the past and begin to cognize.
Q: but when we will subtract all the past and Atit ghat will stop?
Guruji: only cognition will remain, no recognition will be there.
Q: but what will happen with the body? Body will still represent the past then?
Guruji: no, it will be transformed to the super electric body. You cannot say: this electricity is old and that is new; they are almost same.
Q: the body will represent present in that moment?
Guruji: after Atit ghat has taken place – yes. Ever present. I will remind you again: the moment of present is present in the past also and it is present in the future also – and it represented as there also.
Once you are established in the moment of present – you are in all three times.
4.ORIGIN IS THE BASIS OF KNOWLEDGE
Q: what is origin here, it’s the Time?
Guruji: birth! Or anything coming into being.
Q: we couldn’t say that the body is the origin here?
Guruji: it can be said that also; and it can be said about the Universe also: anything which has a beginning – it applies there.
Q: it’s like Param Purush?
Guruji: that Purush Vishesh is Ishwar already. Yoga Sutras also say it. He supposed to be ajanma, beyond birth. He is there, but he has never taking birth.
5.TERRIBLE TRUTH IS EFFORT
Guruji: that means to realize this – effort you need to put it, is terrible. Only with terrible effort this can be realised. To realize such great thing, the effort which you need to put in – is terrible. The word “Bhairav” literally means terrible also.
Q: why only the few people or humans are able to make the terrible efforts?
Guruji: only few have this quality. Then – ichhcha Shakti Uma Kumari: then they gain the will power, which is the most beautiful lady, most beautiful virgin.
Q: what will be with that spirits or persons who will not attain these efforts?
Guruji: only few people will try to have this thing.
Q: what will happen with others?
Guruji: the effect of their karma – they are already inside that. Ignorance is bliss: they are not even aware such great things are there and they lack spirit of adventure – they don’t want to realize it. Better to ignore them; it is said – don’t even mention such things in front of them, it will disturb their peace of mind. Never create any doubt inside them or any confusion in them.
Q: so for their spirits there is no chance to merge with the source?
Guruji: without terrible effort – impossible.
Q: and for the realised yogi: he would establish his identity and carry his consciousness?
Guruji: he will have independent existence in the Creation. This also will come.
6.CREATION CAN BE ANNIHILATED WHEN SHAKTI CHAKRA IS SOUGHT
Guruji: it’s very simple analogy here; we have realised the power of atom – that is the minutest unit of matter. And we have realised the Void is the carrier of all matter, all movements are possible because of the Void; so suppose if your mind become so powerful by the terrible effort that you’re able to see the minutest unit of the Void and able to do things which can be done with atom – the destruction it can create is beyond human imagination. The whole material Creation will be simply no more. That terrible power comes when somebody will become like Shiva.
Q: this terrible power can be attained by samyama on these elements or on atom?
Guruji: no, this is away from Yoga Sutras – these are Shiva Sutras: way beyond samyama.
7.EXPERIENCE (DIRECT PERCEPTION) OF THE FOURTH STATE IS POSSIBLE BY SEPARATING THE AWAKENED, DREAM AND DORMANT STATES OF MIND
Q: about that fourth state: is it samadhi – or is it beyond that?
Guruji: no, they say about awaken state, sleep and dream state: in the beginning all these achievements when somebody tells you – they sound like a dream to you. And you were already sleeping because subconscious mind is sleeping.
When you’re able to awaken it – you’re jagrat. After you have experience all these things – then, what your mental state will be, that is called fourth state of mind: experienced one, who knows. It doesn’t have to be a particular state – post-experience.
8.ONLY AWAKENING IS KNOWLEDGE
Q: the awakening here is when we awake our subconscious or when we just diving in subconscious – but conscious mind is sleeping?
Guruji: no, when it is fully awaked and when you have fully ability for cognition. Your cognition will not be depending on any past education – that will be recognition. When you’re able to cognize – then it’s very different chapter in your life.
Q: subconscious must be awakened, but what happens with the conscious mind then?
Guruji: they are saying it after the fourth state of turyia is talked, discussed: that is after.
9. INDECISION ABOUT DREAM IS IGNORANCE
Guruji: indecision – whether somebody can achieve it or not achieve it – is it just useless talk or not; if I’ll got the grace of god – I’ll also go there: that is indecision and the greatest progress hinder– it kills your ambition also.
Q: so here we cannot say that ignorance is about no efforts or no ambitions to attain?
Guruji: ignorance is when you have no idea, nobody has told you – so what dream you will have? Very limited!
The only limit is what limitation you put on your imagination. Let it flow free!
12. ASTONISHMENT IS THE BASIS OF YOGA
Guruji: when you realize what is possible – you will be astonished: oh my god!
Q: could You share Your first astonishment, which was connected with yoga practice?
Guruji: I’ve astonished since moment I became conscious. Everything is astonishing to me. So many things.
13. WILL POWER IS THE ULTIMATELY BEAUTIFUL VIRGIN
Guruji: after you have realised the fourth state and you know what is what and you have gone beyond your dreams by realising them; then special will power will develop: that is the most beautiful girl.
Q: so it’s not about ordinary will power we understand?
Guruji: that is only 2% – even less than 2%. Just imagine the will power of the fully awakened person, who is able to aim the whole creation simply by concentrating on the Void – his will power; here they are discussing that will power.
Q: maybe You have suggestion for Your disciples – how they can make their will power more stronger?
Guruji: my suggestion is: practice every day, most excellent and most optimum practice you can do: that will take you a very long way. Journey for a thousand miles start with the first step taken. Step by step you will reach your distance.
Q: concentration and stability is the name of the game?
Guruji: consistency; and always keep your goal and purpose in front of you and follow it.
15. BY CONCENTRATING THE MIND INTO THE CORE IT KNOWS ITS INVISIBLE FORM AND IS THEN ESTABLISHED BEYOND THE VISIBLE.
Guruji: yes, go back to Yoga sutras: the seer is established in its own form. So when mind is fully developed – then it will realise itself. Till then – it’s a progress. It’s beyond technic.
Q: the heart and hridaya – are they different points in the body?
Guruji: they may be one and the same.
16. AN INVESTIGATION OF SUBLIME ELEMENT CAUSES KNOWLEDGE OF ONE’S ABILITIES.
Q: here we are talking about the Void and Nada?
Guruji: when you’re trying to realise something extraordinarily high, on the way you will keep on realising different properties in your own nature. Even though you’re trying to achieve something great – but on the way you will realise so many things about your own nature and yourself. It’s about all your personality in total.
SAKTOPAYA
23. MOST MYSTERIOUS IS THE MIND
Q: how we can reveal the mystery of the mind?
Guruji: by practicing Kriya yoga and by developing your brain – your awareness will be more and you will begin to fathom your mind. Step by step, drop by drop face the kund.
24. EFFORT IS ACHIEVER
Q: could we say that effort is the person who achieved?
Guruji: effort is achieved, because without effort what you can do? And you should be strong enough to do great effort also. There are many different types of efforts; that’s why they stressed on most terrible effort, which required to reach that great height.
Q: it applies to person who finally achieved?
Guruji: only for those this thing applies.
Q: but after he achieved, he needs some efforts more?
Guruji: he will decide it himself.
25. EXISTENCE OF THE PRESENT BODY ITSELF IS A HIDDEN SECRET
Guruji: body is a great mystery in itself; mind is part of it, brain is part of it, even jiva is a part of it. So body – people usually call it flesh and bone or even bag of shit; but body is the greatest mystery of all times.
Q: could we define the step by step instruction to reveal the mystery of the body – or no?
Guruji: no, it is just a matter of awareness. How much awareness is developing and to what part of the body you’re becoming aware. From genetics to DNA memory.
Q: but we are starting from the mind, from understanding?
Guruji: how you will differentiate, how you will draw the line – from this my mind begins and body ends? They are so deep in each other, you cannot separate them.
Q: maybe first we’re developing the consciousness by Kriya yoga, then we understand the mystery of granthis and then we do Atit ghat?
Guruji: Atit ghat is a very high achievement; only very high accomplished yogis are able to do that.
Q: suppose we come to this level; so our body still be the mystery then?
Guruji: you may have solved this to guide then.
26. DREAM IS REALISED WHEN GROWTH OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE WOMB IS DISTINCTIVE
Q: here the dream is our sleeping mind, our sleeping consciousness?
Guruji: no, when your subconscious is sleeping and with 2% and less than 2% you hear about superconsciousness which will follow when you will wake up your mind: that will appear like a dream to you in the beginning. It will be unbelievable! That is a dream, which you need to fulfil.
Q: this statement not apply to maya or illusion?
Guruji: for a person who is using only 1,5% of his brain – suddenly how he will have an idea that 100% subconscious will also awaken? It will be just like a dream, impossible imagination.
27. WHEN EXISTENCE IN AN UNSUPPORTED STATE THAT LIES BEYOND DEATH BECOMES NATURAL, STATUS BECOME SHIVA-LIKE
Guruji: when you realised that you can continue to exist even if there is body or no body – then.
Q: could we say that it’s the result of the terrible efforts?
Guruji: of course. That is the state beyond life and death.
Q: the state “Shivoham”, Shiva-like – is this the state beyond knowing the Time?
Guruji: no, it is the state of knowing the Time!
28. THIS IS THE GREAT WAY
Q: could Adi Shakti like embodied in the form of Parvati gave her own experience of the great path?
Guruji: probably.
Q: what is the peculiarities of the path of women in yoga?
Guruji: they are more sensitive than man – everybody will agree to that.
30. BODY IS AN OFFERING
Q: so the body like the mother of the consciousness did all its functions and finally the superconsciousness comes? Which unites with the Time; but is it really needed to quit the body after that?
Guruji: what you will do with that body?
Q: but if it becomes immortal?
Guruji: even then – nirvana is when you leave the immortal body. Read Gorakhbodh again!
Q: if we take two forms of immortality: the first is to live very long in the physical body; and the second is to transform the physical body into electrical body?
Guruji: and third is to establish finally identity of the spirit. No matter how many bodies it will change – you will continue to have your identity.
Q: what about the body? Will it have the function of the supporter of the consciousness in these three forms of immortality?
Guruji: body will always remain the mother of the consciousness. It should be respected from that point.
Q: so even the electrical body will support the consciousness?
Guruji: of course
Q: then why we should offer our body like the sacrifice?
Guruji: it’s poetic way to say it that in the yagya of developing your consciousness and knowing the Time body is the offering. You’re using the body to achieve all these things – it’s a poetic way of saying.
31. KNOWLEDGE IS FOOD
Guruji: knowledge is food for the mind, for hungry mind.
Q: on one hand our body is a book which consists of billions of gigabytes of information; from other hand – the consciousness and immortal spirit; how all the knowledge are stored and accumulated from birth to birth in one individuality?
Guruji: in the memory.
Q: how Kriya and communication with Guru could accelerate the process of evolution?
Guruji: if you have faith and respect for your Guru – you will respect his teachings and you will do it as good as utmost of your effort, the most excellent effort – so results will come. It’s a chain reaction! If you don’t respect your Guru – you will not respect the teachings also; so the result will be nothing.
Q: except the verbal communication with the Guru it exist another type of communication between Guru and disciples?
Guruji: yes, when all the questions are no more and Guru doesn’t have to answer them – then even sitting in the presence is enough.
32. WHEN EXISTENCE IS ANNIHILATED, IT COMES FORTH AND EXPERIENCES THE DREAM
Guruji: yes, when existence is annihilated then you realise the dream, which you started to fulfil.
Q: it’s a dream like desire or wish, not a dream like sleeping state?
Guruji: no, of course not
Q: could we say that after the annihilation of the Universe all of the people who doesn’t reach self-realisation will lose their individualities?
Guruji: individuality will always remain – but in a very sublime way.
Q: what will happen with the immortal spirits which were living in the bodies – they will come home or they will merge with the source, with the Time?
Guruji: they will be with the Time: they will start talk and communicate with the Time Itself. Just imagine, how much ambition and knowledge and compassion they can receive from Time Itself! That communication will begin then. Here one thing comes to my mind: Gita says: when you are joined with your dream maybe to fulfil it- then the yoga will take place, you will remove all miseries. We can understand this shloka from this new point of view.
Q: before I think it’s about to sleep properly…
Guruji: the translation is about the sleep, but here we’re discussing dream. And what dream you will have? 98% of your mind is usually sleeping and you have the dream; when you put some terrible effort to realise it: even the shloka from Gita maybe indicating towards that. Yukta swapnavabodhasya yogo bhavati duhkhaha: awareness of the dream, when you’re united with that – then the yoga will take place and it will remove all miseries- it fits!
Q: what do You think: in the case of pralaya could the immortals like Babaji have their self-realisation and see the birth of the new Universe?
Guruji: this has been recorded in Yoga Vasishtha; the most famous immortal crow – kag Bhushundi just spends his time because he wants to see tandava again and again. By his own mental power he remains in the Void and see the dance and then see the creation of new Universe; and he creates his own mental world there and lives in it. He will have the absolute independent existence.
ANVOPAYA
35. INDISCRETION ABOUT REAL TRUTH BY THE DEGREES IS ILLUSION
Guruji: there is one truth; but we are trying to understand it from our own level of understanding which may not always be right. So it will be illusion.
Q: could it be the real truth?
Guruji: to realise the real truth you need to have the extraordinary awareness and understanding. Otherwise you will just see the one small angle of the whole truth.
Q: could we apply here to have no ambitions to awake our consciousness?
Guruji: no, it’s not applicable here. How many people you have come across who were ambitious enough to awaken their consciousness? Only here we maybe talking too much about it. Otherwise – devotion to god, surrendering yourself to god, – that is enough.
37. GAINING CONTROL UPON ELEMENTS, KNOWING EACH ELEMENT SEPARATELY
Q: is it about five elements and their proportion in our body?
Guruji: it is about 5 elements.
Q: how to make them equal in proportion in our body?
Guruji: that will take the very long time; when the proportion will be equal – you will be immortal.
Q: is it connected somehow with the levels of Kriya – to balance the 5 elements?
Guruji: no. Kriya yoga will develop your mind to that level that you will begin to understand how the elements are working and existing; then your mind will be powerful enough to create a balance in them. Kriya yoga will develop your mind to a superlevel and then you’re free to use that superlevel in your own way. Main thing: if you will not realise the 5 elements inside your body, which is a combination of these 5 elements – how you will realise them outside the body? So first extract them outside.
Q: could bija mantras which are on the petals of chakras affect the 5 elements?
Guruji: it may introduce you to them; and remember: these mantras are the particular sound vibrations. We were discussing it in details in “Upanishad of immortality”. Every mantra is a particular sound vibration. All languages are just the sounds.
Q: if someone will decide to concentrate on bija mantras on the petals of chakras, what will happen?
Guruji: instead of repeating them I will suggest you: first you invoke Naad, evolve to that level, and then decipher that particular vibration which is already resonating and then apply it inside your body, take it; instead of reciting them- that will not do much. It will create another illusion. This is distortion of the truth, which creates illusion: bija mantra – we say, it’s a mantra; but mantra means a secret mystery! They have codified the particular sound vibrations from Naad; but we take it as mantra and just start to repeat it and nothing happens. First you need to understand Naad, then you should be able to go deeper into it, to reach that particular vibration, which is representing the particular element: then something will happen.
Q: could bija mantras be unzipped like a file?
Guruji: no, you need to access the Naad first, to reach that particular vibration: they are just invitation, which are written.
38. ATTAINING PERFECTION BY THE ENVELOPE OF IGNORANCE
Q: how it is possible to attain perfection with the help of ignorance?
Guruji: by realising what is ignorance; what will remain – will be perfection. If you don’t know the true nature of ignorance – how you will know, what is wisdom? Maybe wisdom begins from the moment you realise your ignorance: that is the trigger point for wisdom.
Q: could we say that body is the envelope of ignorance?
Guruji: because our very small conscious mind is not able to understand its great mystery and divinity at the same time. Body is the mother of the consciousness; that gives us a very great status; but we keep thinking it is just flesh and bones or bag of shit. That is illusion.
39. ENDING IGNORANCE NATURALLY LEADS TO A STATE OF INFINITE PASSIVENESS THAT ENDURES
Q: what we must to endure here?
Guruji: there is a great example given, I will just quote it: as a virgin will never know what is the pain of childbirth, no matter how many delivery she may attended – until unless she go through this experience herself, she will never know the true experience of becoming a mother. So no matter how much we discuss- you will know exactly what will happen when you will reach that.
40. ONE WHO AWAKENES BECOMES LIKE A SON
Guruji: yes! Of Shiva.
Q: I think it’s about the relationship of the spirit and the mind…
Guruji: no, of Shiva! Usually people translate “ dvitiya” as “second”; but if you look at the Sanskrit dictionary it also means the son.
Q: does the spirit became the knower of the Time? Of his source, of his origin?
Guruji: maybe Shiva let it knows about the Time; it is your mind who will know about it.
Q: and only then atma will be like a son of Shiva?
Guruji: the mind! You will be like a son of Shiva. Then the final exorcism will take place and you will be no longer possessed by your own spirit. You will have absolutely independent existence. That’s why ghosts are trying to possess you: because we’re possessed by our own atma.
41. THERE IS A FEELING OF ONE BEING LIKE SHIVA
Q: that person, who becomes the son of Shiva ji, he attain some qualities like Shiva ji?
Guruji: he will definitely have some qualities like Shiva ji. That is great achievement.
42. INNER SELF BECOMES A STAGE
Guruji: inner antar atma – it becomes like a stage, and jivatma, the soul is the dancer; and he live his eternity in its entertainment.
Q: in that moment the consciousness unites with the Time itself?
Guruji: of course, yes.
43. SENSES BECOME WITNESSES
Guruji: witnesses of the show, which is going on.
Q: the senses themselves – are they also become like an entertainment?
Guruji: yes.
Q: is it possible to feel anything without physical body?
Guruji: body is just an instrument of the mind. When you’re awaken and you’re like Shiva – you will feel without any body, physicality of it, but far more intensely a physical body can experience.
44. CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES SUBLIME WHEN IMAGINATION IS MASTERED
Successful practice that takes place by applying controlled force of imagination is called as power.
Q: what is power here in that context?
Guruji: controlled imagination
Q: what are the qualities of such superbeing?
Guruji: they just described it: he becomes like Shiva.
45. SIDDHA (PERFECT BEING) HAS INDEPENDENT EXISTENCE
Guruji: I think it’s not a right translation of the word siddha as a perfect being. Siddha means… when in Bengal they are cooking rice, when it is done perfectly it is called “siddha”.
So when in the fires of your tapas when you have been done perfectly – then you became call as siddha.
Q: such qualities of siddha – are they like establishing of the self?
Guruji: surely, yes!
Q: in the comment You used the word “independent”; on what such siddha will be independent?
Guruji: from all creation, from his own spirit possession, – he will be free. The sutra says that he has independent existence in the Creation: that means he is not depending on anything. That is too extraordinary state.
46. AS HERE, SO IS EVERYWHERE
Q: by the control of the imagination with the will power and awaken consciousness we could erase the borders between the dimensions of time? And between the worlds – like physical and astral?
Guruji: yes, it is possible. No one can stop you. It is even possible everywhere and nowhere at the same time. You can tune your consciousness with the consciousness of the whole Universe or creation – and you can disconnect your consciousness from that. You can be everywhere at the same time and when you disconnect – you are nowhere at the same time.
47. CONTEMPLATION OF ORIGIN
Q: in the eleventh chapter of Gita, when Arjuna saw the Time itself – he was very scared of its image?
Guruji: I will give an absolutely different example here: if you will be able somehow witness exactly how you were created inside the mother – it will frighten you. It will not be a very good sight. Same way: origin will always frighten you.
Q: but for an accomplished yogi such an experience will be…
Guruji: yes, he has gone beyond fear. When we have overcome fears, in the most frightening situations you will be normal, peaceful. Try to imagine your creation inside the womb: the whole process will startle you, you will be frighten – and you don’t want to repeat it again.
48. CONTENDED BY TOTALLY KNOWING HEART
Guruji: yes, when he understand everything – he is merged into himself, third sutra of Yoga darshan: tada drashtuh svarupe avasthanam.
Q: so here Hridaya is not the synonym of Time?
Guruji: hridaya is the origin of your life. And also we say: yat pinde tat brahmande: whatever is in the body is in the Universe. When you realize all your own heart – then you will start to realize the heart of the Universe also. That heart also there mentioned.
Q: what can be the heart of the Universe?
Guruji: the essence of prana.
49. HIS ACHIEVEMENT IS TO MAKE RULES FOR HIMSELF
Guruji: when you’re absolutely independent – only you can make rules for yourself. If you need them.
Q: is it true that such a person could create a new Universe without any karmic consequences?
Guruji: yes.
Q: is it similar with the state when we’re dreaming and we’re waking up -there is no consequences of the dream?
Guruji: for such a person everything will be like the same. Dreaming or awaking – all are same to him: because all his dreams has been fulfilled. In Yogini Hridaya tantra they write very great thing: after you have walked for hours and miles and miles and after that you sit down – that feeling can be compared with samadhi. They say: if you will go down to that feeling – you may enter samadhi.
50. EXISTENCE IS ETERNAL BUT LIFE HAS AN END
Guruji: existence is eternal but life has an end because what we see: life in between birth and death – this is what we considered as life. But you were existing before taking birth and you will continue to exist before you’re no longer there or you’re dead.
So life is only between birth and death; beyond that – eternal existence.
Maybe to feel that particular sentence of Time we take birth and experience life. That’s why Swatmarama writes: body is a sentence of time, kaal danda. We experience a limited time here. Otherwise it’s eternal.
Q: how much times the Universe was destroyed and reborn again?
Guruji: Hindus says – countless times. You cannot count it. And they say – there are so many Universes that no one can count. From the smallest particle inside – it’s a Universe and from micro to macro – everywhere. You should read Yoga Vasishtha! Only Hindus are writing such a great tings which are beyond heaven and hell.
Q: so the purpose maybe different from person to person?
Guruji: because the motive is different!
Q: so for someone maybe knowing the Time is the purpose?
Guruji: in fact, since we start to talking about Time – then this thing has come up. Otherwise previously you will never find any mentioning that somebody want to know the Time. We have never come across any reference like that. But now we will have many people, trying to know the Time. And even knowing the Time will be just another step in self- realization: now I’m knowing the Time. That will make your self- realization far more bigger than you anticipate. Maybe one day you will say – yes, I am I.
51. KA GROUP AND OTHER WORDS ARE ELEMENTARY HINTS BY WORSHIPPERS OF SHIVA FOR INNATE ONES
Guruji: all these alphabetical things – they are different sound vibrations from one Anahad Naad. Until unless you will understand it – you will never understand the mainly types of Naad also.
Q: why here they started exactly from Ka-varga?
Guruji: this is Sanskrit alphabet: 16 anusvaras – they are not considered as alphabet. Alphabet begins with Ka. Ka, kha, ga, gha, na; ca, cha, ja, jha,na – they are simple to learn and remember. Vowels are swaras – they are everywhere: a,aa, I,ii, u,uu – you will find them in every language on this planet. Even animals use them.
52. FOURTH BEYOND THE THREE SHOULD BE EXTRACTED LIKE ESSENCE
Guruji: yes, by recognizing all three states of mind you should go beyond and then that state is called the fourth – turiya. Then you milk it as much as you can and your awareness will continue to be extraordinary.
Q: is it connected here with the three gunas? Why it is considered beyond three gunas – and even that achievement is not the liberation?
Guruji: no. You just take a nearer step forward. The new chapter will begin, no limits.
Q: could we say that kaivalya state is the final liberation?
Guruji: I think you could finally sit down and relax for some time.
Q: could we define turiyatita like the fifth state of consciousness or the state beyond any states?
Guruji: it is a state beyond all states, which were recognized by your mind.
Q: what is the difference between turiya and turiyatita?
Guruji: turiya is the fourth state; when you have crossed even the fourth state – that is beyond fourth: turiyatita means beyond turiya. They say – three states of mind: jagrat, Swapna, sushupti: when you’re gone beyond all these three – that is called turiya. And when you’re gone even beyond that – that is turiyatita.
Q: is turiyatita like a state where all layers of the time are merged together?
Guruji: no; with your 2% conscious mind the sleeping subconscious appears like a dream: these are three states. So when with the extraordinary effort you are able to wake up your subconscious – that can be called turiya, no longer sleeping, merged in one; than whatever it will do – it will do: you don’t know what it will do: that is turiyatita.
54. BEHAVIOUR BECOMES LIKE SHIVA, PRANA AND CAUSES EQUANIMITY
Guruji: yes, Shiva tulya jayate – he becomes like Shiva.
Q: after installing the Shivalingam and invoking avadhut – could we say that all our creation came to the final stage of existence? Or it is the sign of the big changes?
Guruji: it maybe big changes have already begun – but we fail to notice it. After second world war from all over the world suddenly monarchy ended and a new era begin – of democracy: it’s a new world order. Now avadhut is there – it will become more and more refined, hopefully. We already are in a new world order.
Q: but does it mean it’s the final stage and after that the creation will be annihilated?
Guruji: no, who cares the creation? I think humanity needs few more lessons – that would be enough. Creation is a very big concept.
Q: what do You think – how long this chapter will last for the humanity?
Guruji: I hope it will last much longer than the previous chapter.
Q: after Avadhut appearing – will it affect all humanity: will they have more interest in yoga, in practice of yoga, in sadana?
Guruji: I think you already know it: it’s already popular all over the world. An organized religions are been asked so many touchy questions nowadays; nobody would dare asking direct questions but now everybody is asking. And they are unable to answer. Mind is more developed now; I think younger generation is smarter and more educated. And formation of the world depends on that younger. This situation was never before.
When we were young – whenever sinner was caught the people think: we don’t know what he might be doing. Now they are losing their so-called reputation. If some Swami will go to America or foreign countries – he will be like a superstar; but now we know the other things. It is much more awareness nowadays.
Q: new world order like the democracy – it will be the last structure of the society or after it will be something different?
Guruji: when all different classifications and different rich people – high-born, low-born, blue-blood, – they will gone, the equality remains. Let’s hope it maybe the final, but it needs to be refined more.
Most of the religions came into being in the monarchy times; so in democracy – will they remain valid? Especially organized religions, because organization is as good as creating an empire.
55. AT THE END OF THE MIDDLE, BIRTH TAKES PLACE
Q: after the first awakening Kundalini is sleeping in agya chakra, because sushumna enters there; so where is Kundalini after second awakening?
Guruji: in your subconscious, moving all over the brain. It absorbed everywhere.
Q: what is the interaction of prana and Kundalini after the second awakening?
Guruji: prana will remain like suspended. Sushumna will remain active, 100% brain will remain active. Prana will be everywhere. Your mind will remain between prana and apana: like Ardhanarishwar.
Q: because of the second awakening the practitioner reaches the state of manonmani? And became to perceive the Void?
Guruji: Void you will start to perceive much before that. And manonmani – that is turiyatita, beyond the fourth state.
Q: is it some difference between the states of unmani and manonmani?
Guruji: they mean the same.
Q: is it true sequence – please correct my assumptions: first the yogi reaches the state of manonmani, turiya, then niralamb, then turiyatita and then kaivalya?
Guruji: more or less they are synonyms. They may be having so many qualities; but we must begin to perceive them – till we reach that state.
Q: is it true that niralamb state is in between of turiya and turiyatita?
Guruji: niralamb is a very different thing: our mind, when it is working – it is like to hold on to something. It may be a thought or an object. Niralamb is – when mind is steady without taking any help from any object or thought. That is niralamb. That is also great state of mind. Kaivalya is the highest state in yoga, Patanjali also writes about it.
56. CONCENTRATION INTO THE ORIGIN OF CREATION CAUSES KNOWLEDGE OF WHY IT IS DESTROYED AND CREATED AGAIN
Q: on what type of concentration here it is spoken?
Guruji: first you need to discover the source of the creation: that will take overwhelming effort and extraordinary development of your mind and consciousness. And when you realize the source of the creation – then you’re able to concentrate on it. It’s a gradual process.
Q: is this concentration from the pure thought?
Guruji: pure thought maybe the first step towards it. You have already realized all different levels of your consciousness from pure thought to inner thought – everything; only then you will be able to experience the real concentration.
Q: this type of concentration is niralamb?
Guruji: no, it is not exactly niralamb – you have already gone through niralamb. And after realizing the source of creation you’re focusing on it! It’s another type – much more elaborate then niralamb.
57. HE BECOMES LIKE SHIVA
Q: from Hatha Yoga Pradipika: yogin should worship Shiva Ji not in the night, not in the daytime…
Guruji: otherwise all the time he must worshipping: with conscious mind – you should not; with subconscious mind, night time – you should not; but in the middle state, with theta-state of mind -you should always worship Him. It’s a condition for yogis, when to worship.
Q: it’s not a fully awaken consciousness?
Guruji: in the middle.
Q: on what level of practice it could be?
Guruji: when smashan will pull you in – it’s a surest indication.
Q: could we compare the shining of Shiva Ji with anything?
Guruji: incomparable.
58. EXISTENCE OF THE BODY ITSELF IS OBEISANCE
Guruji: existence of the body itself is a great mystery. We see just the impression of it, but now the science is becoming so sophisticated: one gr of genome is carrying more of 4 billions gigabytes of information – it is the greatest of the great mystery. We even don’t begin to perceive, how much information and knowledge the simple “shitbag” is carrying – as old people used to call it. Now we realized: it is potentially divine. We were telling from the beginning: respect your body, take the very good care about it.
Q: should we try to know and worship Time by ourselves?
Guruji: that’s why we are doing Kriya yoga! Body will remain the primary mean. And consciousness will guide us – guide the physical body, how to train and how to develop more and more. What is body? It is a support system for your mind, for the brain. The more brain will develop – more better strong conditioned body you will need. Otherwise body may not tolerate the force – or electromagnetic charges, which brain will start to apply: so we need to keep training the body to its highest level.
Q: Guruji, what do You think, what is the main cause of existence of the physical world?
Guruji: because consciousness needs to know itself through the physical body. That is the only entertainment of the consciousness. Only with all this information – it is like a book: book doesn’t know, what is written inside, only the reader knows. Mind is reading.
59. DESCRIPTION IS REMEMBRANCE
Guruji: exactly! Whatever we are trying to describe – we are remembering, because we have seen it before, we have experienced it before; only then you can describe. And it will register in people’s mind; because body represents the past – the whole past till this moment it is representing. That’s why we keep discussing about the past.
Q: so technically spirit – living only one life – accumulates all the memories about his incarnations before?
Guruji: that is much deeper thing: suppose somebody is taking incarnation – so first he will study this book and will accumulate billions and billions of gigabytes of information. Then it may remember all the previous births also – because all the information the book is carrying.
Remembering the past life is not only that “I was born in that family and I did this and that” – complete genome, genetic memory and DNA memory with this body is carrying, the all remembrance.
Q: the spirit is immortal? Or it exist the life span for the spirit also?
Guruji: they are such a huge time frame that – we have very limited time frame, so for us they are as good as immortal. We cannot see their beginning, we cannot see their end – so it is as good as immortality.
Q: maybe spirit acts like mediator between the human and the Time – to pass that information, all the remembrance and the knowledge?
Guruji: yes, we can say it, because in 15th chapter of Gita Time Itself is saying: my own jiva is attracting all the senses. Whatever we call jiva is a drop of Time inside us. Body is called sentence of Time because it experiences the certain period of time.
60. CHARITY IS TO GIVE SELF-KNOWLEDGE
Guruji: knowledge of yoga will give you a chance to give great charity to yourself and to others also.
Q: why majority of people doesn’t care why they are here, who they are?
Guruji: this is simple: most of us born to workout our different karmic results, so our plan of this lifetime is fixed as a result of the previous karmas; so we need to fulfil it. No matter how much great things you will tell such a person – it will not register in his or her brain, because the plan is fixed. Only those lucky persons, whose karmas are a little bit balanced – they will think, what lays beyond, what is karma – seriously they will think.
Q: what will be with the people who are not deserving to learn yoga, who are just living like a program?
Guruji: they will not practice much. Even by some luck they may receive some teachings – but it will not register or remain inside them. They will give it up. They will live till they work out their karmas.
Q: what will be with them in astral after death?
Guruji: same condition – no big difference. Every person, no matter he is durak or a genius – they all have a certain potential and special qualities, as we discussed before; every single being on this planet is carrying the special emotion. When everything will come together – it will come to surface. We cannot say that because this person was not listening to great philosophy – that doesn’t mean he’s absolutely empty in this incarnation, no: some special drop of emotion will be there inside, which will be unique for this person and for others also. Every single life is very valuable, so much possibilities are there.
62. CREATION IS A TREASURE OF ONE’S OWN REALIZATION
Guruji: this is what we discussed: by this creation – so the creator can study its own nature.
Q: is it possible to get access to such treasure after death?
Guruji: if you have work hard to develop your consciousness- after death it will be even more open and you will be looking at things from a different point of view and perspective – so you will learn more. Before – we must learn and we must develop our mind, brain and consciousness because that is main tool for everything.
Even in Brahma Sutras – we have not starting discussions, maybe one lucky day; after knowing everything – then the question come: who was knowing it? Then their attention goes to the brain and mind.
63. ABSORPTION (LAYA) IN A STATE
Q: is it about absorption with the source?
Guruji: absorption is first with the Naad. Naad will take you to the source.
64. WHEN THIS EXPERIENCE HAPPENS, RESIGNATION SETS IN
Guruji: because you have gone far beyond the mundane things and you are appreciating the finer and finer things of the creation – so you will look different to others.
Q: the yogi in a state of kaivalya – he has some kind of intentions or wishes?
Guruji: I think he is the only person who is in a situation of enjoying everything in this creation; the great joy or enjoyment will begin. Santosh is there; then the joy will come.
65. IMAGINATION THEN REMAINS BEYOND ECSTASY AND DISTRESS
Guruji: for them everything is more or less same.
Q: what about the imagination of such super yogi?
Guruji: whatever he will imagine – will come to pass.
Q: so he could create and destroy the Universes?
Guruji: yes – if he likes it and if he wants it. But we are very lucky that they have gone beyond such desires so we are still continue to live. That is our luck. He will have no karmic bondage. He will be absolutely free – and he will go beyond every type of greed, because the wealth of the creation is at his command; so where the greed will remain? Nothing.
Q: is it true that all karma rooted in the mind?
Guruji: yes, they are.
Q: and in samadhi state karma will not affect him?
Guruji: tada drashtuh svarupe avasthanam: the seer will establish in its own source. This is the result of yoga.
