Darshan2022#14

INSIDE the BODY EXPERIENCE

Q: it exists there the feeling that You’re seeing the body from inside? Because it’s completely different than outside the body experience?
Guruji: yes, you know exactlyy how you look when you look at your body from inside. It’s a very important point which was never discussed.

Q: how it looks?
Guruji: like rivers of blood. The sound is very high: it’s too noisy inside. Heart is going to beat; the very strong currents of blood are flowing there – they have their own sound; then the electrical impulses are also chattering in a different way.

Q: very interesting how the nervous impulses and the brain is working?
Guruji: you’re listening at the sort of crackling sound. In hindi we say – choti aatishabaajee – like a small fireworks.

Q: and what is in spinal cord?
Guruji: it is calm – in comparison with brain and other things.

Q: and You saw the chakras?
Guruji: I’m aware – that’s why I keep telling you things.

Q: first time you can become aware of how it looks only in samadhi state?
Guruji: there is no other way. No matter how much you imagine – no. The real experience is real experience. It’s pretty noisy inside, big sounds. Then the digestive system is working in a very different way and the moving of gases in the intestines is like thunder. Even normal digestive system is pretty noisy.

Q: that’s why so much attention in Hatha Yoga Pradipika was put on controlling the inner organs and shatkarmas?
Guruji: yes

Q: is it different from Nada sound?
Guruji: that is body noises! Nada is the different thing. Some people sometimes become aware of blood flow sound – and they think they are listening to the Nada. No, that is different.

Q: You’re hearing all that sounds by the mind, not by ears?
Guruji: even you’re hearing by your ears – with your consciousness. It is consciousness, which is become aware of these things. Ears are just an instrument. Body is a very noisy unit. And the pulsation is all over the body: the sound is very high.

Q: in samadhi heart is contracting not like in a normal state?
Guruji: yes, just very little. In normal state the blood flows like the stream.

Q: when you start recognizing, with the time I think you can even manipulate such things?
Guruji: but then you don’t want to manipulate. What for?

Q: if it is needed?
Guruji: not exactly manipulate, but if something is needed, if it is too important – then. Even then will not do it. The best thing is to remain an observer, if you’re a yogi. Let the nature take its course.

Q: it was some cases when You saw, feel, that something is not working properly on 100%?
Guruji: the whole body is not perfect. Nothing – it will take time to recover or take treatments. Better to remain an observer.

Q: and You can see nadis?
Guruji: everything. It’s very difficult to count them, but they are like ways, where energy is flowing, and blood is flowing.

Q: they are different from the nerves?
Guruji: they look same.

Q: and the nervous impulses: are they looking like the lights inside the body?
Guruji: like a pathways, roadways, electric lines. That is the only example I can put here.

Q: what can You say from that Your experience: it exists the opinion that all the problems and diseases start from the mind?
Guruji: I will agree with that. And carryovers of your karmas and your seven generations karmas. Everything comes together.

Q: what happens in the mind? How is it working?
Guruji: electrical charges – that sound is there.

Q: can You perceive and see how Your mind was developing?
Guruji: only after reaching a certain level of development you will become aware of it. And you’re also aware what is still sleeping.

Q: how that sleeping parts are looking?
Guruji: even there are electrical impulses: we cannot say it’s absolutely asleep; but it is beyond your access.

Q: so You see the parts of the brain, where something is happening, but…
Guruji: there is happening: there are charges and electrical impulses – but you have no access to that. Something classified – for the sake of using a word.

Q: as I understand with the time You start to see how those parts are working and have some access to them – how it is going?
Guruji: you also are aware that with very regular and intense yoga practice these things will be more and more and more.

Q: like someone is unblocking those parts?
Guruji: you yourself.

Q: You saw neurons – what are called neurons?
Guruji: yes. You’re aware of their existence and how they look and how much they are dying. Millions every day.

Q: in Your case they are dying too?
Guruji: in most of the yogic cases death rate is much less than an average person. It’s good news – if we can call it a good news.

Q: when neurons are not dying – it’s like an immortality?
Guruji: your mind will continue to wake up; because they are dying – that’s why our subconscious never wakes up. When they are there and they are working there is a big chance that the subconscious will become conscious more and more: I mean it will not happen suddenly – in degrees.

Q: is it possible to see such things like amrita which is formed and ojas in the heart?
Guruji: amrita – yes, I become aware; with intense yoga practice it forms in the brain and it is extraordinary hormone. I’ve already recorded this.

Q: but only now we understand, how You know
Guruji: only with enough yoga practice it may start to form.

Q: it forms in agya chakra?
Guruji: no, forget about it: it will come from subconscious.

Q: and what is happening in the heart?
Guruji: I think heart has its own consciousness in a different way. It is the support system for the brain; it is like a parent waiting for the child to grow. I’ve already said: it is absolutely dark and blood is flowing there.

Q: You came into the heart not after the first samadhi?
Guruji: no, it came after 5 years, the second phase of samadhi. I tell you – it is the noisiest part of the body: the biggest noise is coming from the heart. What is your pulse? The resonance of your heart.

Q: and You perceive Vasudeva in the heart?
Guruji: you’re aware of very mysterious power inside. Not like some mechanic working in the engine of the ship – it is something else. It’s scary also. All body is dark inside, everything is dark, and heart is another seal chamber of pure darkness. Blood is pumping and the very mysterious power lives here. Only some light is coming into the body from eyes, some from mouth and ears; otherwise – every life is driving in the dark.

Q: and electrical impulses?
Guruji: in the brain there are flashing of electric lights – and in a nervous system also. You’re intensely aware of the electrical flow. It’s a fantastic experience.

And in a daytime there is a sort of twilight just beneath the skin- if the body is exposed to light. Otherwise, it is dark.

Q: can You appreciate and understand the changings which are going through the practice?
Guruji: yes

Q: and ojas: how it is looking?
Guruji: 8 drops only; initially it’s like liquid – but it absorbs in the heart and makes the heart very strong.

ATIT GHAT and the BODY

If Atit Ghat is taking place, then all your memory is also be gone: so where the wisdom and the knowledge will remain? Because as we have said – memory is the basis of knowledge?

Whatever experience we gone through becomes part of your persona: it will not depend on your memory, your very person will made of these things. And ability to cognise will not be depending on your past experiences. We keep recognising things, we rarely cognise anything; that type of mental development you will have.

They also use one word: Atit Shunya – when the past will become like void: it is there, but it is not there. That’s the main thing here.

Q: back to the previous amazing topic: when your consciousness flows in all different shunyas – so Atit Shunya is again inside the body?
Guruji: body represents the past: when you’re moving in the empty space inside the body – which is 99,9%: that is Atit Shunya. When you come out of it – it is behind you.

Q: when You are inside the brain, You can see all electrical impulses: and what about thoughts?
Guruji: thoughts are just the waves in the ocean of consciousness.

Q: could You judge by the type of electrical activity, which type of thoughts are coming?
Guruji: yes, it can be seen. Thought is just an electromagnetic charge. That tells us: the electricity is also conscious; it is an expression of the consciousness.

First you experience all your past: after you will remember everything – then only you can overcome it. That means you left all your samskaras also behind. Samskara is past – past experiences are samskaras. You took out all the emotional components from the experiences and pack them as a source of energy inside the body – and only the information of the past remains.

Q: when we discussed that some parts of the brain are active and some – not; when new parts become active, then Atit Ghat starts? Because all memories are there?
Guruji: no, it is very difficult to say, when it will start. You experience Atit Shunya – after that Atit Ghat will take place.

Q: for me now it’s only scary words – Atit Shunya and Atit Ghat?
Guruji: look at the empty cup: that is shunya of the cup. You look inside the empty space inside your body: body represents the past: that shunya, empty space inside the body, is Atit Shunya.

Q: so when I will experience it – Atit Ghat will start?
Guruji: after that. When your mind will become even more stronger. That is the main principle of renunciation: when you experience it, then you renounce it also: that is Atit Ghat. Remember, all shunya is pure consciousness. Because of all empty spaces in our body – chidakash, medhakash and others – life happens.

Such experience is extremely intense and high awareness of your own self. You will just become aware suddenly one day.

Q: when Your attention is inside – are You able to perceive outside things?
Guruji: everything; you’re aware.

Q: have You experienced it in samadhi state – when blood stops?
Guruji: of course, we’re intensely aware. And when we’re coming out of the samadhi – then the flow is even more noisy then normally.

Because in samadhi blood flow almost stops, and your consciousness is so much expanded; then , when you are coming out of the samadhi – when the beating of the heart starts and the rivers of the blood starts to flow again, – that torrential sound is amazing. And the crackling of the brain at the same time, and the intestine grumbling also begins.

Q: no one who claimed they were in samadhi described this!
Guruji: and the first will be the beating of the heart; then the torrential sound of the blood start to flow: that is very big sound. And the crackling of the electromagnetic currents all over the body, especially from the brain – it starts.

Q: the nervous impulses has some light effect or only the sound?
Guruji: the sparkling will always have some light, yes. But the most beautiful sight is under the skin: the twilight. Some rays are seen: where your skin is thin – more light.
And there are numerous living beings inside: viruses, bacterias, WBC, RBC – it’s a battlefield there.

Q: You feel the consciousness of that living beings?
Guruji: yes

Q: and could it affect the consciousness of the owner of the body?
Guruji: they are affecting

Q: You know the form inside, which is subtle than virus?
Guruji: form of your consciousness is far more subtle than virus. And that mysterious force: for name them we give Prana and Apana – they are so subtle. You feel them, You’re intensely aware of their presence, but you can’t comprehend them; until unless they bless you- there is no understanding of them. The virus is nothing.

I will tell you the story about inner beings. I was very sick in 2007; I was gone through so many check-ups but nothing was found; then the doctor suggested endoscopy – to see if something wrong in my intestines. I went to Faridabad; there was one disciple, who arranged this thing.

When they put this tube inside me – I suddenly became aware of the great disturbance among the bacteria, who were living in my stomach. Some rishi – even bacteria have rishi! – some rishi has predicted to them, that a great light will appear out of nowhere and that will be the end of their world.

So they put a light in the tube – and all the bacteria was running here and there, lady bacteria were running with their small children and they were shouting: oh god, what we have done that our world is going to end?! And see: they were living on me and they were creating big problem for me. After this test was done and medication was given – their world ended.

When you’re becoming aware inside the body – you will become aware of so many living beings there, even their consciousness ( smiling) it’s a real experience.