Darshan2022#15

FINAL EXORCISM FOR IMMORTAL 

We discussed, that immortal people get the final mukti or liberation, emancipation: they don’t even need their spirit to keep them alive: because they are connected directly with the source of life, Ishwar himself. In modern language we can sum up: that is the final exorcism for the immortal person, who doesn’t even need his own spirit to possess. Think on that!

Q: even the idea – to live without a spirit is really unique! Nobody tells that it’s even possible

Guruji: but only after they have reached the source of life. Even vampires have something inside.

Everyone says: I’m the spirit, I’m not the body: but they keep ignoring Ishwar!

Q: first You told that soul is not a spirit; then You subdivide the jiva and Ishwar and the spirit: because for any religious person they are all together?

Guruji: yes, they don’t recognise.

Q: so merging with the Ishwar is like plugging with the source?

Guruji: yes, directly: and the source is not outside, it’s inside!

Q: is it the real changing of atma to the Paramatma?

Guruji: atma will introduce you to the Paramatma – after interviewing you and assessing your qualification.

Q: so He is like an examinator for the body, the consciousness or for the mind?

Guruji: He’s the Originator.

Q: what is it for the spirit?

Guruji: this is all for his entertainment: they are eternal beings – so they need entertainment for sure. Then they can join the club.

Q: so if someone can communicate or make friendship with the spirit…?

Guruji: it could be the level up for the spirit; but we will need more research on it.

Q: is it big difference between the old and young spirits?

Guruji: You see, if you’re 10 billions years old and someone is 9,9 billions years old – it will not make a big difference.

Q: it exists the opinion that if the person is very simple and behave only like to enjoy the eat and sleep – that means the spirit is young and just enjoying?

Guruji: his mind is! Spirit simply gives life – no more than that. And usually they keep quiet.

Q: if some higher being is in a bad relationship with some spirit – he can always give him bad contracts?

Guruji: they are too mature for this( smiling), too far gone.

Q: can we say that first we see the spirit when he will look at us?

Guruji: yes, it’s a big surprise: that he or she is able to see – that is a power of Kriya yoga. Then it will take a very long time: it will continue to watch you – yes, he’s continuously seeing me – then it will begin to see you, look at you; starting to take you seriously. Then it will play some mind games.

Q: what does it mean – the mind games?

Guruji: it will create so many  different emotional trauma: these thing is nothing for them. For us it may be very disturbing.

Q: he will look at us like kutastha after practice?

Guruji: all the time.

Q: how we will know that he is looking at us?

Guruji: you will not know – only after communication.

Q: Your spirit told You his true name for the first time when You was in gym, not in pravtice?

Guruji: any time – whenever he will feel like it.

Q: when they start to watch: what they are expected? Or they don’t expected?

Guruji: something interesting. But what will interest them – difficult to say, there is no pattern.

Q: what happened after, when You have know the name of Your spirit?

Guruji: that is introduction, then communication begins.

Q: You can mentally reproduce his name and call him – or how?

Guruji: no, it always will be a foolish thing. It’s a patience game; I mean better to wait for him to start talking. Better not to irritate.

Q: that spirit which is inside us: how he or she recognises us – by the name, given by parents?

Guruji: no, they recognise you by the genetic stamp. This name is nothing.

Q: they recognise the vibration, or chemical reaction, or?

Guruji: it’s a very great power. That’s why I keep saying that journey looks like just started.

Q: now I’m 44: so I must live much longer to communicate( smiling) ?

Guruji: long gaps are appearing. When I was 44 it was already 10 years after doing commentaries on Gita, Yoga Sutras and Shiva Sutras

Q: we still achieve nothing

Guruji: according to Gautama Buddha it’s a biggest achievement

Q: but not unique: so many people achieved the same.

When You start to communicate with Your own spirit – it was continuously or he came by his wish?

Guruji: no, continuously: the different awareness will develop. It will drop you some idea – then just wait and watch. It is giving you life: so of course it continuously seeing us. But after Kriya yoga this thing changes: because nobody see them; but when you see – ok, he or she can see me now, so let’s see!( smiling).

Q: the ghosts have the same reaction after they recognise that someone could see them?

Guruji: they are after that person. Their reaction is different.

Q: but ghost has the spirit too?

Guruji: it’s in every living being: two of five elements continues to carry spirit – and the spirit comes beyond the carbon.

Q: why exactly carbon was chosen as a base for the creation?

Guruji: Gorakhnath gave ashes from his dhuni – and carbon became the essence of the life.

STAGES OF EDUCATION OF ANCIENT YOGIS

Q: I’ve read about Lakulishas, that they had the four stages of education: on the first stage they lived near Shiva temples and learn mantras from Yajurveda; then they lived like a beggars – and if someone abused them they took their bad karmas and if someone praise them they took their good karmas; then they went to the forest and eat only that they could find; and on the final stage they came to smashan and lived near Shiva Ji?

Guruji: this is true. And it used to be 12 years cycles.

Q: very strange discipline?

Guruji: to be near Shiva and get His grace. That is one-point program.

Q: for what they start first to learn mantras from Yajurveda?

Guruji: first they are selected: I mean many people try out of curiosity, but they were carefully selected. Because whoever will teach them – examine them thoroughly. And once you have committed – you cannot go away. It’s one way path.

Q: how it happens that who insult can took their bad karmas?

Guruji: it is not only them, it is considered as yogis; if somebody criticises them – he takes away their bad karmas, if somebody praises them – he takes away the good karmas: so they remain without karma. It is for any yogi.

Q: but when they lived in jungle, they practiced something?

Guruji: of course! Living in jungle means they were practicing something mysterious – so no one will see them.

Q: could we apply these 12 years cycles to Kriya yoga?

Guruji: I think it applies to every spiritual practice.

Q: so in every 12 years there must be changes in the routine of the yogi practicing Kriya?

Guruji: it’s a mark of evolution: even Kriya yoga goes into the units of 12. I think in 12 years whatever you’re practicing goes very deep into your DNA: be ready for the next evolution after that.

Q: does it mean that practitioner must change the lifestyle or the place he lives?

Guruji: Guru will decide. It’s up to the Guru.

Q: from what stage of development starts that thing about taking away the karmas of the yogi?

Guruji: it is from the beginning: the discipline is given by Shiva Himself.

Q: these 12 years are only for the spiritual practice or for the physical practice also?

Guruji: for the spiritual practice. Here we say that wrestler’s career, bodybuilder’s career usually last 12 years. No more than that, their peak is gone after. But here it continues to grow.

Q: You have so many disciples for the long time: maybe You have seen them crossing the 24 or 36 years of practice?

Guruji: I have crossed 3 cycles of Kriya yoga practice and I feel difference in each cycle. Within 12 years of receiving initiation I landed in smashan. In smashan we have already done 2 cycles of practice. I think mind grows, spiritual experience grows.

Q: but every time is it the very big changes?

Guruji: first 12 years there was the big change: I wrote 5 books, landed here. Next 12 years Shiva appeared, He was installed and all these things happened in astral. Then – fantastic discussions begin in the third cycle. And also Shakti was installed. Now I’m in the 4th cycle of Kriya yoga practice now.

Q: how long will take the whole cycle of full development in Kriya: 60 years, 120 years or 144 years?

Guruji: probably.

Q: what will be after: some Aghori practice?

Guruji: still waiting. But Aghori practice, as conventionally known, is misunderstand.

Q: how such misunderstanding came into being?

Guruji: such a high thing a layman will never understand. Whoever is doing to catch some ghost or something – they were taken as Aghoris. How many wisemen are living in society? Smashan feared them so they create so many stories.

Q: from where this cult of holding kapala started?

Guruji: everything is given by Shiva: it was original practice- if you eat rice and dal in kapala and drink from it, the ghost attached with this kapala will begin to discuss with you and do what you want. But it’s not the yoga practice – it’s the invocation of ghost.

Q: are they parallel traditions: Yoga and Aghora?

Guruji: Aghora maybe evolution of Yoga.

Q: so can we say that 2 Aghoris which are now living here were the yogis very long time back?

Guruji: undoubtedly. Normal person cannot living in smashan. There are only two traditions: Gorakhnath and Dattatreya.

Q: how You can estimate Your Rahu mahadasha?

Guruji: so many things happen and I learn a lot. He teaches you in a very different way.

Q: unexpectable craziness???

Guruji: that is his sense of humour( smiling). He tests you very severely and also supports you; and the real mystical knowledge comes with Rahu influence. Just consider, how much ground we covered in Rahu mahadasha: it was his grace! He is very neary to Shiva. Now I’m in Jupiter: it’s much more peaceful and physically better feeling. These two Aghoris came in Jupiter: and atmosphere is different after they arrived. Before – everybody was talking at the same time; now they are quiet.

Q: what are doing all that 500000 people, who came with them?

Guruji: they are the sort of disciples. It takes a very-very long time for understanding and develop for just a little. It takes time! That Aghoris are in this state for 400 plus years. Before that they practiced in the physical form.

SMELLS IN SAMADHI 

Q: when You told us about Your first experience of Samadhi, You told about the physical smell or that type which we discussed – smell of anger, smell of fear?

Guruji: everything together: the physical smell, the emotional smell: it was not good, not tolerable.

Q: but what about animals?

Guruji: they are fine: they don’t disturb me at all.

Q: but they have their peculiar smell?

Guruji: yes, they have the peculiar smell – but they are much more cleaner than we. That’s why when the second phase started after – I was on my farm, many kilometres away from the city; many animals were there: from cobras to rodents, to wolves, to some panther also and the wild boars – absolute no disturbance.

Q: even the predators – like a wolves?

Guruji: no problem

Q: but it was like the inner perception – because you couldn’t feel the physical smell?

Guruji: it is the physical perception: inner and outer is nothing

Q: but You were not breathing in that state?

Guruji: of course, no one breath in samadhi

Q: so how You can perceive the smell?

Guruji: is it your breathing perceiving or your mind is perceiving?

Q: so in that state You can perceive the smell, the light, the sound?

Guruji: everything – with the mind

Q: and all of them mixed together or You can subdivide them?

Guruji: all mix together. Only later you learn to differentiate.

ART AND HERITAGE

Q: why in the shamans families the children with magical abilities born very rare? And even they are psychic and don’t live long?

Guruji: Maybe the copyright on those things is going away. After a certain time no tradition will remain in any family. 4,5, 10 generations – that’s it.

Q: why they born so different; are they cursed?

Guruji: too much association with the spirits is not healthy for children. It will have its own effect. It is always like this: 3 generations are the most.

I have big collection: and a polar bear’s nail also. But whenever I use – I just lost interest to talk and want to be alone and this thing becomes stronger and stronger. Maybe now it’s not a right time to wear it.